Friday, May 20, 2011

Rosenberg: Argument from Nonbelief Continued

Here is the argument stated once again:

Suppose that God exists. Assume that this god is all loving and wants to have a personal relationship each of us. Assume also that this god is all powerful and can bring about whatever he desires. So God wants each of us to have a personal relationship with him and he has the power to bring it about. And yet, there are people who don’t believe in God and do not have a personal relationship with him. Therefore, God does not exist.


I am NOT saying that having the belief/nonbelief causes the existence/nonexistence. I am reasoning from nonbelief to nonexistence but it would be incorrect to think that the first condition causes the second. I will show this with an analogy.


Consider the following statement:

If it rains, then the ground would get wet. (It just happens to be the case that rain causes the ground to get wet.)

It is similar in form to this statement:

If God exists, then people would believe in his existence.


Now watch what happens when we deny the consequent:

The ground is not wet, therefore it is not raining. (Notice how the non-wetness of the ground is not the cause of it not raining!)

And similarly:

People do not believe in God, therefore God does not exist. (This is my claim, and like the previous statement, the first condition is not the cause of the second.)


There are people that do not believe in God. You agree with this. But then you go on to blame on the nonbeliever for their lack of belief. Your position is that God exists and people can learn about God’s existence simply by “stick[ing] their heads out of the window to truly ponder their existence.” This is simply not the case. If you look to the best scientists the world, over 90% are nonbelievers. Have they failed to “stick their heads out of the window to truly ponder their existence?” I would be curious to learn how many professional philosophers are nonbelievers. I think it is safe to say that there is a significant number of them. These are people whose job it is to “stick their heads out of the window to truly ponder their existence.” My point here is that there are many intelligent, honest, and otherwise reasonable people who do “stick their heads out of the window to truly ponder their existence” and still fail to believe in the existence of God.


On top of this, you need to note that the average person is not a top tier scientist. Just think how many people in the world happen to be living in poverty, or cannot read or write, or live in a culture that is less sophisticated than our own. So apart from struggling to survive at the most basic level, they are expected to “stick their heads out of the window to truly ponder their existence.” This demand is too high.


You say that for God to bring it about so that it is easier for people to believe in him would “be equal to rape and/or hellish slavery.” First of all, nonbelievers are going to hell anyway:

“But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8 NIV


So instead of simply prompting nonbelievers to believe in his existence, God will condemn nonbelievers to eternal hell.


And second, what is so special about Moses and Solomon and all the other characters in the Bible for whom God spoke with?


There is more to be said here but let’s just work with this. These were my three main points: First, you are the one making the mistake in logic, not me. Second, blame should not be placed on the nonbeliever. And third, God is just fine with reveling himself to some people.


**UPDATE**

There is the PhilPapers survey. Out of the professional philosophers, over 75% are nonbelievers. Check it out.

http://philpapers.org/surveys/



Monday, April 11, 2011

Rosenberg: Argument from Nonbelief

If God, an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, all-loving, and perfect being existed, what kind of world would he create? I image it would be a world much different than our actual world.


One difference between our world and a God-created world would be that the inhabitants of a God-created world would believe in the existence of it’s creator. (There are other imagined differences, each of which are worthy of discussion at a later time.)


I will use this as an argument for the non-existence of God:


If God exists, then there would not be many nonbelievers in the world.

But there are many nonbelievers.

Therefore, God does not exist.


Let’s start with this second premise. Some say there are no atheists in foxholes, but that is simply not the case. There are many rational people that do not believe in God. I think we both agree on this one.


Now, the first premise. If God exists, then there would not be many nonbelievers in the world. Why would we expect this to be the case? Well, a loving God would want his people to know that he exists. We are assuming that God is loving and wants to have a personal relationship with all his people. This cannot happen if there are reasonable people that do not believe in his existence.