Friday, May 20, 2011

Rosenberg: Argument from Nonbelief Continued

Here is the argument stated once again:

Suppose that God exists. Assume that this god is all loving and wants to have a personal relationship each of us. Assume also that this god is all powerful and can bring about whatever he desires. So God wants each of us to have a personal relationship with him and he has the power to bring it about. And yet, there are people who don’t believe in God and do not have a personal relationship with him. Therefore, God does not exist.


I am NOT saying that having the belief/nonbelief causes the existence/nonexistence. I am reasoning from nonbelief to nonexistence but it would be incorrect to think that the first condition causes the second. I will show this with an analogy.


Consider the following statement:

If it rains, then the ground would get wet. (It just happens to be the case that rain causes the ground to get wet.)

It is similar in form to this statement:

If God exists, then people would believe in his existence.


Now watch what happens when we deny the consequent:

The ground is not wet, therefore it is not raining. (Notice how the non-wetness of the ground is not the cause of it not raining!)

And similarly:

People do not believe in God, therefore God does not exist. (This is my claim, and like the previous statement, the first condition is not the cause of the second.)


There are people that do not believe in God. You agree with this. But then you go on to blame on the nonbeliever for their lack of belief. Your position is that God exists and people can learn about God’s existence simply by “stick[ing] their heads out of the window to truly ponder their existence.” This is simply not the case. If you look to the best scientists the world, over 90% are nonbelievers. Have they failed to “stick their heads out of the window to truly ponder their existence?” I would be curious to learn how many professional philosophers are nonbelievers. I think it is safe to say that there is a significant number of them. These are people whose job it is to “stick their heads out of the window to truly ponder their existence.” My point here is that there are many intelligent, honest, and otherwise reasonable people who do “stick their heads out of the window to truly ponder their existence” and still fail to believe in the existence of God.


On top of this, you need to note that the average person is not a top tier scientist. Just think how many people in the world happen to be living in poverty, or cannot read or write, or live in a culture that is less sophisticated than our own. So apart from struggling to survive at the most basic level, they are expected to “stick their heads out of the window to truly ponder their existence.” This demand is too high.


You say that for God to bring it about so that it is easier for people to believe in him would “be equal to rape and/or hellish slavery.” First of all, nonbelievers are going to hell anyway:

“But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8 NIV


So instead of simply prompting nonbelievers to believe in his existence, God will condemn nonbelievers to eternal hell.


And second, what is so special about Moses and Solomon and all the other characters in the Bible for whom God spoke with?


There is more to be said here but let’s just work with this. These were my three main points: First, you are the one making the mistake in logic, not me. Second, blame should not be placed on the nonbeliever. And third, God is just fine with reveling himself to some people.


**UPDATE**

There is the PhilPapers survey. Out of the professional philosophers, over 75% are nonbelievers. Check it out.

http://philpapers.org/surveys/



Monday, April 11, 2011

Rosenberg: Argument from Nonbelief

If God, an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, all-loving, and perfect being existed, what kind of world would he create? I image it would be a world much different than our actual world.


One difference between our world and a God-created world would be that the inhabitants of a God-created world would believe in the existence of it’s creator. (There are other imagined differences, each of which are worthy of discussion at a later time.)


I will use this as an argument for the non-existence of God:


If God exists, then there would not be many nonbelievers in the world.

But there are many nonbelievers.

Therefore, God does not exist.


Let’s start with this second premise. Some say there are no atheists in foxholes, but that is simply not the case. There are many rational people that do not believe in God. I think we both agree on this one.


Now, the first premise. If God exists, then there would not be many nonbelievers in the world. Why would we expect this to be the case? Well, a loving God would want his people to know that he exists. We are assuming that God is loving and wants to have a personal relationship with all his people. This cannot happen if there are reasonable people that do not believe in his existence.



Monday, November 8, 2010

Rosenberg: Cosmogony, Causality, and Argument

In presenting an argument, it is helpful to list the premises and state the conclusion like this:


Premise 1

Premise 2

Premise 3

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Conclusion


Be precise and explicit. This is how we present arguments. For one thing, the reader will know exactly what the argument is. And secondly, the argument is easier to evaluate when made explicit. I say this because this is something that you have not done and therefore, I am left to decipher your reasoning. This task has been difficult for me because your reasoning is not all there. These two arguments are what I have been able to figure out from your posting.


Argument 1:


P1. Nothing in the universe creates itself.

P2. ???

C. God exists.

Argument 2:


P2. Everything that exists is the result of a process.

P4. The universe exists.

P5. The universe is the result of a process. (from P3 and P4, modus ponens)

P6. ????

C. God exists.


These two arguments are the best that I can make out from your posting. And neither of them work.


Consider this second argument. Assuming P3 - P4, what follows is P5 that the universe is the result of a process. You want to conclude that God exists but this conclusion does not follow directly. There are additional assumptions that you must make in order to reach this conclusion of God’s existence. And these assumptions need to be made explicit. You need to connect the dots so to speak. Now, I am not saying that these premises need to be shown to be true with 100% certainty. You do not need to “prove” your conclusion in this way. It is not expected, and most likely, is not even possible. Your failure is at a level much more basic. You fail to provide these necessary lines of argument to begin with! IDo you see the question marks in place of your missing premises? Aside from this, you have two additional complications. First, I don’t think you can accept the truth of P3 that everything that exists is the result of a process. This is because P5 would apply to God as well. Do you believe that God is a result of a process? Probably not. Second, you have P5 that the universe is the result of a process. But this is not consistent with another one of your beliefs, namely, that the universe began to exist. Here is why. In order for a process to occur, time is needed. Perhaps not all processes need to be physical (i.e. mental processes), but indeed all processes need to be temporal in nature. So if the universe (including time) had an origin, then it is not possible for the universe to be the result of a process.


So now let’s look at your attempted first argument. We have P1 that nothing in the universe creates itself. Again, you have this problem connecting the dots. How do you get from this premise to the conclusion that God exists? I do not follow. Even if this proposition is true and nothing in the universe creates itself, so what? What now? This says nothing about the creation of the universe itself.


It might be worth mentioning that there are cases in which it is acceptable to leave out necessary lines of argument. I’ll give a couple examples:

  • Socrates is human, therefore, Socrates is mortal.
  • All metals expand when heated, therefore, iron expands when heated.

The necessary premises in these cases are left out of the argument. But they are also BLATANTLY OBVIOUS! We know what is missing-- the proposition ‘all men are mortal’ for the first one argument and ‘iron is a metal’ for the second-- and we accept the truth of these propositions. In contrast, the premises which are missing from your arguments are not at all obvious. This is the third posting of mine where I ask you to provide reasons for your your position. In doing so, I was hoping to get a structured argument, i.e., a list of premises and conclusion. If I was unclear about this in the past, I apologize. I hope you take note of the three main points that I’ve tried to emphasize:

  • In order to have a case, you need to have an argument.
  • An argument is a list of premises and a conclusion.
  • There are missing premises in you argument.

I hope now that you can see why this has been so frustrating for me!!


I’ll move on. Even though you did not formulate your argument as such, I think the following is what you are trying to argue. In any case, this is the most popular version of the cosmological argument and I will attempt respond against it:

  1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause of its existence.
  2. The universe began to exist.
  3. Therefore, the universe has a cause of its existence.

It is then argued that this cause is God.


In the past, I dealt with the philosophical a priori defense of this argument. I will try, this time, to respond to the scientific defense of this argument. In responding to this argument, I hope to shed some more light the issue that you are concerned about.


The first thing we can ask is whether this is a valid argument. One standard response is that this argument fails because of equivocation. What does it mean for a thing to begin to exist? Well, there are two senses in which a thing can begins to exist. First, a thing can begin to exist in time. And second, a thing can begin to exist with time. These are two distinct concepts. In the first sense of the term, a thing begins to exist in that it is result of a mass/energy transformation. Cheez Whiz, to take an example from you, is of this type. We start with pre-existing stuff like cheese, oil, salt, etc. The ingredients are then mixed together and processed in order to create the product- i.e. Cheez Whiz. So Cheez Whiz did begin to exist, but only in the sense that it is a transformation of pre-existing stuff. All causes that we experience in ordinary life are ultimately causes of this type. I feel I need to repeat this. Ordinary causes are mass/energy transformations that occur within our ordinary context of space and time. Now consider the creation of the universe. According to the standard Big Bang model, time/matter does not come into existence until the occurrence Big Bang which took place sometime between 12 and 15 billion years ago. It should be clear that if it is the case that the universe began to exist, then its ‘beginning to exist’ is of a type that is completely different than anything we are used to. In premise 1 (whatever begins to exist has a cause of its existence), the ‘begins to exist’ is of the first sense. And in premise 2 (the universe began to exist), the “begins to exist” is of the second sense. If it is supported by evidence that whatever begins to exist has a cause of its existence, it is supported only in the first sense of ‘begins to exist’ and not in this second sense. This would leave, unsupported, the claim that the universe itself has a cause of its existence.


You might argue that this equivocation in the notion of ‘begins to exist’ is not fatal to this argument. Perhaps the knowledge of premise 1 rests on a priori grounds, rather than on empirical evidence. If this is the case, then the argument stands regardless of the sense in which we use ‘begins to exist.’ However, I do not believe this to be the case.


You give the example of Cheez Whiz. I agree with you here. It is obvious that Cheez Whiz cannot not simply pop into existence uncaused out of nothing. But why is this so obvious? Perhaps it is because we happen to live within the context of this world and have experience and knowledge of the nature in which it operates. We know where Cheez Whiz comes from and it doesn’t come into existence uncaused from nothing. Now think about the universe and ask yourself this. Is it intuitively obvious that the universe did not simply pop into existence uncaused? I do not think this is obvious. Unlike the Cheez Whiz case, we have no context in which we can relate the coming into existence of the universe. The origin of the universe is a special case completely unrelated to the origin of Cheez Whiz.


What part do you find unintuitive about Cheez Whiz popping into existence uncaused out of nothing? Is it just the fact that something began to exist without a cause? Or might it be the fact that it came from nothing? We can try to figure this out by separating these two concepts. Imagine a God who, instead of creating our universe, created Cheez Whiz. Cheez Whiz just popped into existence out of nothing. If this is a violation of your intuition here, then it would not be because something came into existence uncaused. It would be because something came into existence out of nothing. Now imagine the universe beginning to exist uncaused out of nothing. If this is counter-intuitive, might it be because it came from nothing or that it has no past?


Premise 1 is also rejected on scientific grounds. It is believed that there are quantum events that don’t have causes, i.e., quantum vacuum fluctuations, radioactive decay, etc. Perhaps this sounds ridiculous but it may just be the way that the world is. It’s also not the only crazy consequence of modern science. From Carl Sagan:


As I walk along, time—as measured by my wristwatch or my aging process—slows down. Also, I shrink in the direction of motion. Also, I get more massive. Who has ever witnessed such a thing? It's easy to dismiss it out of hand. Here's another: Matter and antimatter are all the time, throughout the Universe, being created from nothing. Here's a third: Once in a very great while, your car will spontaneously ooze through the brick wall of your garage and be found the next morning on the street. They're all absurd! But the first is a statement of special relativity, and the other two are consequences of quantum mechanics (vacuum fluctuations and barrier tunneling, they're called). Like it or not, that's the way the world is. If you insist it's ridiculous, you'll be forever closed to some of the major findings on the rules that govern the Universe. (The Demon Haunted World, p302)


If anything, I think this should tell us that our intuitions on the matter are not at all reliable.


It is also worth pointing out, once more, that there is no violation of the conservation of mass/energy. Once we take the negative energy of gravity into consideration, we see that the total energy of the universe is zero. A universe from nothing is not a violation of the laws of physics.


There is another sense in which it might be thought that the universe needs an explanation. There is this idea that the natural unadulterated, spontaneous state of the universe is a state of nothingness. The fact that the universe began to exist would then need an explanation. But if we remove this assumption, then the existence of the universe becomes less puzzling. Perhaps the natural spontaneous state of the universe is one in which something exists.


In a past posting I presented a case from Quentin Smith. Given that I think this is a possible solution worth consideration paired with the fact that you failed to give an appropriate response, I will restate this here. Consider, at this moment, we live in a state of the universe. What is the cause of this present state of the universe? The answer would be, of course, that this present state of the universe is the result of the previous states. We can then ask, what is the cause of some previous state? The answer would be that this previous state is the result of the states prior to it. We can say, that for any moment in the past, there are prior states of the universe which explain it. Of course, the soundness of this reasoning depends on which interpretation of the Big Bang cosmology is the correct one. There are two sets of interpretations. The first group assumes that the singularity is an actual state of the universe and the second group denies that this singularity is an actual state of the universe. So which is it? Well I think the current consensus is that there is no actual singularity. An actual singularity would imply an impossible state of affairs with infinite density and with zero volume. Instead, we should think of the singularity as being a limit to which the universe approaches as we look back in time. The first temporal interval of the universe is therefore open on one end. And so there we have it: the answer to our problem of the cause of the universe. The universe is a set containing an infinite number of instantaneous states and each one of these states is the result of previously existing states. You want to ask about the cause of the universe as a whole, i.e, what is the cause of this set of states? Well, there is no extra cause. Similarly, if Jack and Jill are each caused to exist then there is no need for an extra cause of the set [Jack, Jill]. What is the cause of the set [Jack, Jill]? Well, it is precisely the same as the cause of Jack and the cause of Jill.


I have shown reasons to doubt premise 1. The truth of premise 2 can also be questioned. What if there was something before the Big Bang? Scientists are now beginning to ask this question and new theories are starting to emerge in which the Big Bang is not the beginning.


Here is one model to consider:

http://www.science.psu.edu/news-and-events/2007-news/Bojowald6-2007.htm/


I don’t know enough about the physics to evaluate all these different theories. What I do know is that the tables are turning within the scientific community. What came before the Big Bang? This used to be a question which we couldn’t even ask. Sir Roger Penrose, in 2007, recalls a time when this used to be the case:


You see, there shouldn't be anything before the Big Bang. In fact, if anybody has asked me, say, two years ago what happened before the Big Bang I would have given the official answer which was the same answer which was given by Stephen Hawking about a year and a half ago... before the Big Bang there wasn't any time and so you couldn't even talk about 'before', it didn't make any sense. So that's probably what I would have said too.


So the fact that I'm going to say something different this time indicates that...well, as a scientist you're allowed to change your mind from time to time. (http://www.abc.net.au/rn/scienceshow/stories/2007/1984044.htm)


Scientists are now reconsidering. They are beginning to ask this once forbidden question. It might turn out that the universe did not begin at the Big Bang. Or perhaps it did. The jury is still out.


There is a need to modify the standard Big Bang theory. This standard model is based on Einstein's general theory of relativity which does not apply to the quantum level. This is a defect of the theory because at the earliest stages of the universe, quantum effects are crucial. What is needed is a theory that unites both quantum mechanics and general relativity. Until such a theory is developed, we cannot know whether or not the universe had a beginning.


Also, Dr. Avalos pointed out earlier that the bible does not support creation ex nihilo. If the universe arose from some pre existing stuff, then there is a transformative cause of the universe, not a divine cause.


The last leg of the argument is to show that the cause of the universe is God. There is more to be said here. I'll leave this for next time.


Sunday, March 28, 2010

Rosenberg: Back to Origins

Throughout our conversations, I have been trying to prompt you into giving reasons for your belief. We are still on the topic of origins. You’re the one that wanted to talk about origins, so let’s talks about origins. You're really good at trying to change the topic. What you still need to do is show how the topic of origins strengthens your position. And don’t just say to me, “So you want to have a reason to believe in God? Great, then just close your eyes and THINK *origins* and there you’ll have it!” No, that won’t work. Show me your line of reasoning that takes you from talking about origins to your belief about God. Do you think the universe had a beginning? Well then you need an argument for that. Do you believe that everything that exists must have a cause? You need an argument for that.


I am trying to get you to probe deeper into these questions. These life events that you just described have undoubtably provoked your thinking, but they do not answer these questions. You have come to believe in certain things and perhaps you have some basic intuition about these matters. One thing that I want you to realize is that our intuitions do not alway give us a good representation of the world. Did you watch the Krauss lecture that I posted last time? I think he makes that pretty clear.


I'm not looking for a proof on your end-- just show me how you reason from point A to point B. How do you get to the God conclusion given your thoughts on origins? That's what I'm looking for. Then we can move on.


Let's continue with this. I'm sorry that it took me so long to post. I do enjoy doing this with you and hopefully we both get something out of it.

Wednesday, October 28, 2009

Rosenberg: A Universe From Nothing

Here is a great video of Lawrence Krauss that has been going around the internet recently. It deals with the state of the universe and how it could have came from nothing.


The universe must be flat.


It turns out, that in a flat universe the total energy of the universe is precisely zero...Because gravity can have negative energy. So, the negative energy of gravity balances out the positive energy of matter.


What’s so beautiful about a universe with total energy of zero?


Well, ONLY such a universe can begin from nothing… And that is remarkable… Because, the laws of physics allow a universe to begin from nothing. You don’t need a deity. You have nothing… zero total energy… and quantum fluctuations can produce a universe.


Right now, we know it to an accuracy of better than 1%. The universe IS flat. It has zero total energy, and it could have begun from nothing. … And, I’ve written this piece (and, of course, I got a lot of hate mail) saying that in my mind this answers that crazy question that religious people always keep throwing out… Which is:


“Why is there something rather than nothing?”


The answer is… There had to be. If you have “nothing” in quantum mechanics, you’ll always get something. It’s that simple. It doesn’t convince any of those people, but it’s true.

Friday, October 2, 2009

Rosenberg: The Ball is in Your Court

If you ask me about my thoughts on the origin of the universe, I'll have little to tell you. I do not know the initial conditions of the universe. We can speculate (and I can talk about some ideas later). Did the universe have a beginning or did it come to exist at some point in the past? I don’t know. And I really have little intuition on this matter. But apparently you do! And you think that the fact the universe exists (or that the universe began to exist) is reason to believe in God. You have these beliefs. That’s fine. What you need to do is tell me why you believe this. Why do you think this is reason to believe in God? And more importantly, you need to explain why I should believe this as well. You have failed in this task. Therefore, I did this for you. In my last post, I presented William Lane Craig’s kalam argument: Whatever begins to exist has a cause. The universe began to exist. Therefore, the universe has a cause. Craig gave two arguments in support of his second premise that the universe began to exist. I then presented Morriston’s case for the failure of these arguments in favor of this premise. We then questioned the first premise. Then finally, I accepted Craig’s conclusion for the sake of argument to show that even if Craig is correct, he fails to establish God as a creator. This was a long post and I’m sorry for that. But I felt that this was necessary since this was a very detailed argument. In the future, I will try to have shorter postings.


In any case, this is how you replied: “I have told you this before in emails, in conversations, on Facebook, etc., that as a Christian, I do not necessarily agree with everything that another Christian says.”


So you don’t accept Craig’s argument? I was not asking if you agree with all of Craig’s arguments. I only gave you one-- the kalam argument. I did send you Craig’s argument before I posted to see if you agreed with him. You said yes. If you don’t agree with Craig, fine. Give me a different argument.


I will dismiss the rest of your last post. Not only did you completely ignore Morriston’s critique of Craig, but you misunderstood Quentin Smith’s reply as well. He never said it was nonsensical to talk about causes. He made a statement about abstract objects. What he said was that abstract objects cannot have causal relations with other objects. And therefore, it is nonsensical to talk about abstract objects having causal relations with other objects. Also, you also asked, “If there is no t=0, then why did you describe time as having a first instant?” I never said that time had a first instant. Smith argued the opposite. If the universe did begin to exist then there is no point in time t=0 and therefore there is no first instant. But don't worry about any of this if you don't accept Craig's argument. These are criticisms of Craig.


Thursday, September 24, 2009

Rosenberg: The Cosmological Argument

This argument comes in three varieties: the Thomistic cosmological argument, the Leibniz cosmological argument, and the Kalam cosmological argument. It is the Kalam argument that has, by far, received the most attention in the literature. So, let’s talk about the Kalam argument.


I give you this piece by William Lane Craig to review.

http://www.leaderu.com/truth/3truth11.html


In it he defends the following argument for the existence of God.


1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause of its existence.

2. The universe began to exist.

3. Therefore, the universe has a cause of its existence.


For Craig, the crucial part of this argument is the second premise. He provides two arguments in support of (2). The first argument is based on the impossibility of an actual infinite and goes as follows.


2.11 An actual infinite cannot exist.

2.12 An infinite temporal regress events is an actual infinite.

2.13 Therefore, an infinite temporal regress of events cannot exist.


If the universe had no beginning, then there would be an infinite regress -- an infinite number of events leading up to our present time. Craig thinks this is impossible. To illustrate this, Craig has us think about Hilbert’s Hotel, the famous thought experiment from mathematician David Hilbert.


Let us imagine a hotel with a finite number of rooms. Suppose, furthermore, that all the rooms are full. When a new guest arrives asking for a room, the proprietor apologizes, "Sorry, all the rooms are full." But now let us imagine a hotel with an infinite number of rooms and suppose once more that all the rooms are full. There is not a single vacant room throughout the entire infinite hotel. Now suppose a new guest shows up, asking for a room. "But of course!" says the proprietor, and he immediately shifts the person in room #1 into room #2, the person in room #2 into room #3, the person in room #3 into room #4 and so on, out to infinity. As a result of these room changes, room #1 now becomes vacant and the new guest gratefully checks in.


And this can be repeated an infinite number of times. You could have an infinite number of new guests arrive without increasing the total number of guests in the hotel. Likewise, you could have an infinite number of guests leave without decreasing the total number of guests in the hotel. Craig thinks some of these consequences are absurd and therefore, we cannot have an actual infinite.

These results are absurd because they are a violation of what he calls Euclid’s maxim. A whole is greater than any of its parts. But when Craig talks of Euclid’s maxim, what he really wants is the following principle:


* A set must have a greater number of elements than any of its proper subsets.


But why should we assume that this principle is true? Well, it cannot be true because it gives rise to these absurd results for it is exactly the acceptance of this principle that makes these results “absurd.” This dilemma is resolved by showing that there are such sets that do (or could) have an infinite number of members.


Take a chunk of space for example. Space can have an infinite number for sub-regions. Even though it is true that we cannot actually subdivide space into an infinite number of parts, there is no problem in thinking of space as having sub-regions prior to any possible divisions.


Craig also fails by assuming that basic algebra works the same when applied to the number of elements in a set. Craig tries to do this and ends up with “absurdities” as we see from the following.


But Hilbert's Hotel is even stranger than the German mathematician gave it out to be. For suppose some of the guests start to check out. Suppose the guest in room #1 departs. Is there not now one less person in the hotel? Not according to the mathematicians-but just ask the woman who makes the beds! Suppose the guests in room numbers 1, 3, 5, . . . check out. In this case an infinite number of people have left the hotel, but according to the mathematicians there are no less people in the hotel-but don't talk to that laundry woman! In fact, we could have every other guest check out of the hotel and repeat this process infinitely many times, and yet there would never be any less people in the hotel. But suppose instead the persons in room number 4, 5, 6, . . . checked out. At a single stroke the hotel would be virtually emptied, the guest register reduced to three names, and the infinite converted to finitude. And yet it would remain true that the same number of guests checked out this time as when the guests in room numbers 1, 3, 5, . . . checked out. Can anyone sincerely believe that such a hotel could exist in reality? These sorts of absurdities illustrate the impossibility of the existence of an actually infinite number of things.


Let’s see what’s going on here. Let m = the number of total rooms in the infinite hotel, let n = the number of odd numbered rooms in the hotel, and let p = the number of rooms 4 or higher. Craig’s reasoning is as such:


(mn) = infinity, whereas (mp) = 3.


But, n = p (since both n and p are infinite).


And since n = p, we are subtracting the same number from m. But infinity ≠ 3. Therefore, we have a contradiction.


But as Wes Morriston shows, operations within set theory don’t work this way.

http://stripe.colorado.edu/~morristo/craig-on-the-actual-infinite.pdf


In fact, when we take the difference of two sets, we are not subtracting numbers at all. In logical terms, the difference of two sets A and B is the following.


A − B = {x: x ∈ A and x ∉ B}


In words, A − B is the set of all the elements in A that are not in B. Let’s try this in our case.


m − n = {1, 2, 3, 4,....} − {1, 3, 5, 7,...} = {2, 4 ,6, 8,...}


mp = {1, 2, 3, 4,....} − {4, 5, 6, 7,...} = {1, 2, 3}


If we then talk about the number of elements a set, we are dealing with the cardinality of the set.


The cardinality of m − n is aleph-null. (Alpha-null is the smallest infinite cardinal number, and by definition, the cardinality of the set of natural numbers.)


The cardinality of m − p is 3


No logical inconsistency.


Craig seems to want to subtract the “numbers” n and p each from m and then show the absurd results. You cannot do this. The cardinalities of m, n, and p are each alpha-null and alpha-null minus alpha-null is left undefined in set theory.


Let’s move on to Craig’s second argument in support of (2). Craig wants to show that even if an actual infinity is possible, the series of past events cannot be of this sort. His argument is as such.


2.21 A collection formed by successive addition cannot be actually infinite.

2.22 The temporal series of past event is a collection formed by successive addition.

2.23 Therefore, the temporal series past events cannot be actually infinite.


Craig’s reasoning is that an infinite collection formed by successive addition could never be completed. It is the problem of what is called “traversing the infinite.”


One cannot form an actually infinite collection of things by successively adding one member after another. Since one can always add one more before arriving at infinity, it is impossible to reach actual infinity.


The first premise of this second argument (2.21) is the one worth challenging. It appears to be false.


Consider Zeno’s paradox. Zeno was the ancient philosopher who had an interesting argument for why motion is impossible. His argument is as follows. In order to go from point A to point B, one needs to first reach the halfway mark and then the halfway mark of the remaining half then the halfway mark of the final fourth, then of the final eighth, and so on ad infinitum. Zeno concluded that therefore, motion is impossible because in order to reach any destination, one would first have to traverse and infinite number of finite distances which would be impossible. But this is exactly where Zeno got it wrong. It is possible to traverse an infinite number of finite distances in a finite amount of time! We cannot blame Zeno for this mistake because in his time, the concept of infinity was not well understood. But of course motion is possible. And today, we can easily solve this problem with the knowledge of how to handle an infinite series.


But Craig insists that we cannot have a beginningless series of events that ends in the present.


...suppose we meet a man who claims to have been counting from eternity and is now finishing: . . ., -3, -2, -1, 0. We could ask, why did he not finish counting yesterday or the day before or the year before? By then an infinite time had already elapsed, so that he should already have finished by then. Thus, at no point in the infinite past could we ever find the man finishing his countdown, for by that point he should already be done!


There is a problem with Craig’s reasoning. He is confusing the task of counting infinitely many numbers with the task of counting all the negative numbers up to zero. The man would have completed the first task but not the second. It is this first task of counting infinitely many numbers that is relevant and this should be sufficient. Why should this task of counting all the negative numbers up to zero be necessary? There could still be a beginningless series of events that ends in the present.


I have given some arguments against premise (2), on philosophical grounds, that the universe began to exist. There is also the argument for (2) on scientific grounds.This is a big topic in itself and I would like to leave this for later so we can spend more time on it. We already have a lot going on right here.


We skipped over the first premise (1) that whatever begins to exist has a cause of its existence. Craig thinks that this self-evident and needs little argument in support of it. But surprisingly, there might be reasons to doubt this. In quantum mechanics we have this idea of vacuum fluctuations where particles pop into existence uncaused. We can discuss this more when we get to the topic of scientific cosmology.

http://universe-review.ca/R03-01-quantumflu.htm


Wes Morriston gives a good critique of Craig’s argument. I recommend you read it.

http://stripe.colorado.edu/~morristo/kalam-not.html

I tried so far to give a summary of his main points.


OK, so what if Craig’s argument is sound? Let’s assume the truth of both (1) and (2) for argument’s sake. This gives us the conclusion Craig argues for, namely, that the universe has a cause. But does this mean that there is a creator? The philosopher, Quentin Smith, presents the case in which it does not. (This is not found online. His argument is presented in a piece titled “Kalam Cosmological Arguments for Atheism” from The Cambridge Companion to Atheism. If anyone else wants to read this, email me for the PDF.)


According to science, the universe began with a big bang 15 billion years ago. But also, according to the science, there cannot be a first time t=0. This is because at this first instant of time, the universe would be in an impossible state and would have to be described by some nonsensical mathematical statements.


What we can discuss is the first interval of time in which the universe began to exist. And since there is no time t=0, this interval is open at the beginning (there can be a boundary point at the end but not at the beginning). Time is continuous. In other words, in this interval of time we have an infinite number on time instances. Think of an instance as a point in time along this time interval (an instance has no temporal duration). Between any two instances there are an infinite many other instances.


So let x be an instance within the first second of the universe existing. Then x is greater than 0 and less than or equal to 1.


If we think about the universe in this way, we can say that every instance of time is preceded and caused by earlier instantaneous states. In this sense, the universe can be self caused. But what if we ask about the cause of the interval as a whole? Well, says Smith, it doesn’t make sense to ask such a thing. The interval is a set which is an abstract object and cannot have causal relations with other objects.


I understand that this is some heavy stuff. Realize that set theory is an essential part of these arguments. And also realize that these arguments are essential in trying to understand the philosophy dealing with the origin of the universe.


Sunday, August 23, 2009

Rosenberg: EXPELLED-James Lotz (For Some Reason or Other)

In your Expelled clip, Ben Stein asks Dawkins how life began:


DAWKINS: Nobody knows how it got started. We know the kind of event that it must have been. We know the sort of event that must have happened for the origin of life.

BEN STEIN: And what was that?

DAWKINS: It was the origin of the first self-replicating molecule.

BEN STEIN: Right, and how did that happen?

DAWKINS: I told you, we don't know

BEN STEIN: So you have no idea how it started?

DAWKINS: No, no. Nor has anybody.


I take it that this is the exchange you wanted me to comment on. This is one of those “big” questions of science, the question about origins. This discussion is similar to one we had in our first post. You asked about cosmology and how the universe began and this was my response:


Well I'm not going to try to give an answer to how the earth began. This is because I don't know. But understand that the question of cosmology is a scientific one nonetheless and is worthy of study. Your demands are simply too high. There are things that we don't understand. We have to be humble. Science has been making progress towards answering these difficult questions. Remember, telescopes weren't even invented until the 17th century. It wasn't until the later half of the 19th century that scientists were able to determine the composition of the stars. Einstein's theory of special relativity wasn't published until 1905. And the use of nuclear physics in trying to explain the origins didn't really begin until the 1940s. But you can't take this question of origin away from science and give it to religion. That answers nothing. That would be ignorant hand waving, I would say. This is at least worthy of scientific study.


Science does not have the answers right now. But here is the thing-- NOR HAS ANYBODY! At least scientists are working on solving these puzzles:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=origins-science-krauss

(If you link to the video archive, you can watch these lectures online)


Notice that I never said that science will someday have all the answers. Perhaps one day we will have the answers, perhaps not--I don’t know. A point that I was trying to make here was that science has a progressive nature. There is no faith here. Scientists are just trying to find out about the world.


Watch this short clip of Richard Feynman. He elaborates on this idea:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeCHiUe1et0


“When I say Intelligent Design I am not interested in defending Michael Behe or Dembski, I am arguing for the hand of a creator/intelligent mind in the making of all that we can see/study.”


OK I believe this to be the confusion. We have intelligent design as I had discussed in my last post. But we also the argument from design which is an argument for the existence of God based on the perceived purpose in the world (think Paley’s watchmaker). These are distinct concepts--one is a political and religious movement and the other is a “proof” of God’s existence. Although advocates of ID accept this argument from design, it is not true vice verse.


The traditional argument from design is one from analogy:


Stuff that looks designed (i.e., a watch) has a designer. There is something--life, nature, the cosmological constants, etc.--that looks like it has been designed. Therefore, by analogy, this something must also have a designer. This designer is God.


There is also another classic argument for the existence of God--the cosmological argument:


Everything we know has a cause. There cannot be an infinite regress of causes. Therefore, there must be a first cause. This first cause is God.


You need to help me out here, are you confusing this cosmological argument with, as I called it, the “big” questions of science (the empirical problems of discovering the initial conditions of the universe and of life itself)? If not then you are committed to a God of the gaps and we already discussed this. If so, great. Let’s discuss this now. But if this is the case, then you are also confusing these two arguments. The design argument and the cosmological argument are two distinct arguments.